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'''''The Incel Project''''' was a TV-MA rated, Blip.tv original documentary series released from 2008-2012.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20130406024814/http://blip.tv/the-incel-project- Archived Blip.tv page for ''The Incel Project''.] Retrieved 24 Feb '20</ref> The doc was featured in the "original series" section of Blip.tv (now defunct), a seemingly curated section of the site. The documentary's non-Blip.tv homepage was ''involuntarycelibacy.com'' (now defunct). Non-draft or non-final-cut episodes appear to be straight interviews and often exceeded 20 minutes. The series was released as a work-in-progress to be assembled into a condensed final cut documentary, perhaps with other footage.<ref name="ATI">[http://web.archive.org/web/20130322122802/http://www.involuntarycelibacy.com/page04.html Archived page 4 of the Involuntary Celibacy website.] Retrieved 24 Feb '20</ref> At least 2 different drafts of a final cut were also uploaded to Blip.tv and released.<ref name="draft">[http://web.archive.org/web/20130406025159/http://blip.tv/the-incel-project-/incelsupport-member-early-40-s-2587627 Archived page that shows the existence of draft #1 & #2 at bottom], Retrieved 25 Feb '20</ref> Almost all footage associated with this doc series is lost.
'''''The Incel Project''''' was a series of documentary episodes released from 2008-2012 on the now defunct video-sharing site blip.tv.<ref>http://archive.is/5Lpqt</ref> It was being made by an unknown person with the email incel57@yahoo.com, possibly member of the early feminist incel forum called IncelSupport. The documentaries non-blip.tv homepage was ''involuntarycelibacy.com'' (now defunct). Non-draft or final-cut episodes appear to be straight interviews and often exceeded 20 minutes. The series was released as a work-in-progress to be assembled into a condensed final cut documentary, perhaps with other footage. 2 different drafts of a final cut were also uploaded to blip.tv.


==Background and Contents==
==Background and Contents==
In 1997, Alana created Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project as an academic project and email listserv to fuel academic research into involuntary singledom. This culminated in a series of academic papers by the sociologists Denise Donnelly, Elizabeth Burgess, and Laura Carpenter.  This feminist listserv eventually transformed into a full-blown webforum using conventional forum software called IncelSupport.  Author Talmer Shockley was notably a member of IncelSupport and is featured in this documentary. Laura Carpenter is also featured.  This suggests this documentary was associated with IncelSupport rather than love-shy.com (which has it's own popular documentary).  
In 1997, Alana created the Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project as an academic project and email listserv to fuel academic research into involuntary singledom. This culminated in a series of academic papers by the sociologists Denise Donnelly, Elizabeth Burgess, and Laura Carpenter, among others.  


Documentary appears to be shot from a social-justice and medical perspective. Content is mostly dry and clinical, and included are highly topical discussions about mental health, stigma of incels, inceldom, and "coming out" as an incel.
While the email listserv was still open, a separate forum opened called incelsite.com in 2004.  This was the first self-described 'incel' forum using conventional forum software.  Alana's email listserv also changed ownership to a Canadian computer store owner.  Beyond hosting his own forum, the owner of incelsite.com also took up the duty of linking to the older listserv.  Incelsite.com closed due to the owner feeling the members were (on the whole) not meeting their goals, and suggested a forum comprised of experts, although no such thing transpired.
 
In 2006, incelsupport.org started, with many of the same members of incelsite.com.  This forum lasted until around 2008, when arguments on the forum about genetic determinism split the forum in two.  Those who rejected that involuntary celibacy was caused primarily by genetic factors started incel.myonlineplace.org during 2008.  Those who believed it was primarily caused by genetics started a much smaller group at the same time called Involuntary Celibacy Acceptance and Management.
 
While incel.myonlineplace.org had a subtitle of "Incel Support", it was not the same Incel Support forum as the aforementioned.  Someone named, ''Kaycee'' led incel.myonlineplace.org, while the previous was led by a Canadian named Cernan.  It is rumored that Cernan was not welcome on the newer forum, although this is unconfirmed.  It is likely that incel.myonlinplace.org is the forum most associated with this particular documentary.
 
Author Talmer Shockley is featured in this documentary and may have been a user or lurker of incel.myonlineplace.org. Laura Carpenter is also featured.  A similar forum that existed at the time, ''"love-shy.com"'', also had its own popular documentary.
 
The documentary appears to be shot from a social-justice and medical perspective. Content is mostly dry and clinical, and included are highly topical discussions about mental health, the stigma of inceldom, life as an incel, and "coming out" as an incel.
 
A year after this documentary stalled, in 2013, incel.myonlinplace.org had a server crash, and most posts were lost.


==Reception and Cancellation==
==Reception and Cancellation==
There are a few forums posts from people who watched the documentary in development, but not many of course as this documentary is technically unreleased. One of the forum reviews was positive and talked about a Laura Carpenter interview. They said she talks about involuntary celibacy leading to more involuntary celibacy since the individual's self esteem is lowered the longer he or she lives with it, and possible partners being turned off by the seeming oddity of an older virgin.
Various forums discussed the doc before and after development.<ref>[https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://forum.virginite-tardive.fr/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2485&prev=search French forum topic thread on ''The Incel Project''.] Retrieved 24 Feb '20</ref><ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/5x2xtt/finally_found_a_few_snippets_of_what_the_incel/ r/TheBluePill comment upon finding a few snippets of ''The Incel Project''.] Retrieved 24 Feb '20</ref><ref>[https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/learn-these-weird-simple-easy-tricks-to-be-masterful-with-women-dating-gurus-will-hate-you.262122/page-5 Spacebattle Forum thread that mentions ''The Incel Project''.] Retrieved 24 Feb '20</ref> One of the forum reviews was positive and talked about a Laura Carpenter interview. They said she talks about involuntary celibacy leading to more involuntary celibacy since the individual's self-esteem is lowered the longer he or she lives with it, and possible partners being turned off by the seeming oddity of an older virgin.


Production halted sometimes between 2012-2014. In 2014, a forum user of a separate forum called PUAhate.com (pick-up-artist hate.com) named Elliot Rodger went on a shooting spree in the name of self-professed involuntary singledom. This event may have precipitated the cancellation of the release of this documentary, even though IncelSupport denied Elliot Rodger was an active member of their forum.
Production halted sometimes between 2012-2014. In 2014, a forum user of a separate forum called PUAhate.com (pick-up-artist hate.com) named Elliot Rodger went on a shooting spree in the name of self-professed involuntary singledom. This event may have precipitated the cancellation of the release of this documentary, even though IncelSupport denied Elliot Rodger was an active member of their forum. However, the series was removed from Blip.tv for unknown reasons at least two months before the shooting, and perhaps the director simply gave up on the project for other reasons.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20140325130317/http://blip.tv/removed Archived Blip.tv page saying that the documentary series was removed.] Retrieved 24 Feb '20</ref>


===Unreleased Final Cut===
===Unreleased Final Cut===
Two drafts of the final cut were released, however, from Webarchive it does not appear a final-final cut was ever released.
Two drafts of the final cut were released. However, from Webarchive, it is unclear whether a final cut was released or not.


==Availability==
==Availability==
Most info from the web series is available from Webarchive snapshots of the channel on Blip.tv.  Only segments of 2 interviews survive, perhaps not the full footage of those 2 interviews that were released. Seemingly random people preserved segments of 2 interviews of the psychologist and advocate for love-shy men named Brian Gilmartin, as well as a segment of an interview of author Talmer Shockley. Outside of the Gilmartin and Shockley footage the rest is totally lost.
Most info from the web series is available from Internet Archive snapshots of the channel on Blip.tv.  Only segments of 2 interviews survive, and not the full footage of those 2 interviews that were released. These found segments contain psychologist and advocate for love-shy men named Brian Gilmartin, as well as a segment of an interview of author Talmer Shockley. Outside of the Gilmartin and Shockley footage, the rest is lost.


There have been efforts to preserve Blip.tv content before it's shutdown in 2015. No archives appear to contain this documentary however.
There have been efforts to preserve Blip.tv content before it shut down in 2015. Efforts to find these documentaries in Blip.tv archives have not come to anything as of February 2020.


==How to possibly find the rest==
==Possible ledes==
There may be a blip.tv archive somewhere that has thisIf not, the most available leads for copies of the documentary include sociologist Laura Carpenter and author Talmer Shockley as Gilmartin is dead.
Possible people to contact for the lost footage include the author Talmer Shockley, Sogwa (the black female of the film who now publicly leads a Maryland Singles group on Meetup), or Laura Carpenter.
 
There is [https://www.abtreff.de/viewtopic.php?t=7819|a link on a german forum] to a Youtube channel which used to possibly contain the full documentary.
 
This Youtube link is now dead, but the [https://www.youtube.com/user/TrMan1#p/aThe%20Incel%20Project channel] is still up and appears to have changed by the person who possibly created the original documentary.  The channel now is about a closed kickboxing gym in Petersburg Virginia which was called [https://www.yelp.com/biz/9round-petersburg 9round].  It is possibly the former owner or media manager of that business made the documentary.
 
The creator of the documentary was identified by an unknown Youtube commentator, likely a former member of incel.myonlineplace.orgThis occurred after the popularity of a 2021 video commentary on this documentary made by ''The Internet Investigator''. The original documentary creator has not responded to polite requests to release the documentary.


==Episodes==
==Episodes==
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|1||''Dr Gilmartin||16:57''||June 28, 2008||[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPiMQyIsFqo] <span style="color:yellow;">'''Partially Found'''</span>
|1||Dr. Gilmartin||16:57||June 28th, 2008||<span style="color:orange;">'''Partially Found'''
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|2||''IncelSupport Member, 40''||14:29||July 22, 2008||[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na5Pp4i6ImA]<span style="color:yellow;">'''Partially Found'''</span>
|2||IncelSupport Member, 40||14:29||July 22nd, 2008||<span style="color:orange;">'''Partially Found'''
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|3||''IncelSupport Member, Mid-30s''||22:06||October 1, 2008||<span style="color:red;">Lost</span>
|3||IncelSupport Member, Mid-30s||22:06||October 1st, 2008||<span style="color:red;">'''Lost'''
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|4||''Two Friends''||12:18|||June 26, 2008||<span style="color:red;">Lost</span>
|4||Two Friends||12:18|||June 26th, 2008||<span style="color:red;">'''Lost'''
|-
|-
|5||''Texas Interview''||38:07||July 27, 2009||<span style="color:red;">Lost</span>
|5||Texas Interview||38:07||July 27th, 2009||<span style="color:red;">'''Lost'''
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|-
|6||''IncelSupport Member, early-40s''||21:03||September 7, 2009||<span style="color:red;">Lost</span>
|6||IncelSupport Member, early-40s||21:03||Sept 7th, 2009||<span style="color:red;">'''Lost'''
|-
|-
|7||''College Student''||47:55''||October 26, 2009||<span style="color:red;">Lost</span>
|7||College Student||47:55||Oct 26th, 2009||<span style="color:red;">'''Lost'''
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|8||''Gay Man, late-40s''||10:37||January 6, 2011||<span style="color:red;">Lost</span>
|8||Gay Man, late-40s||10:37||Jan 6th, 2011||<span style="color:red;">'''Lost'''
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|9||''IncelSupport Member, Late-30s''||18:43||November 30, 2011||<span style="color:red;">Lost</span>
|9||IncelSupport Member, Late-30s||18:43||Nov 30th, 2011||<span style="color:red;">'''Lost'''
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|-
|10||''IncelSupport Member, Late-30s''||15:37||January 29, 2012||<span style="color:red;">Lost</span>
|10||IncelSupport Member, Late-30s||15:37||Jan 29th, 2012||<span style="color:red;">'''Lost'''
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|11||''Draft #1''||?||?||<span style="color:red;">Lost</span>
|11||Draft #1<ref name="draft"/>||?||?||<span style="color:red;">'''Lost'''
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|-
|12||''Draft #2''||?||?||<span style="color:red;">Lost</span>
|12||Draft #2<ref name="draft"/>||?||?||<span style="color:red;">'''Lost'''
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|13||''Final Cut''||?||?||<span style="color:gray;">Unreleased, possibly never finished</span>
|13||Final Cut||?||?||<span style="color:gray;">'''Existence Unconfirmed'''
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==Gallery==
===Dr. Gilmartin===
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  |description2 =Clip from ''Dr. Gilmartin'' (third gen copy).
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===Incel Support Member, 40===
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  |description2 =Clip from ''Incel Support Member, 40'' (third gen copy).
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==External Link==
*http://archive.is/5Lpqt


==References==
==References==
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Status: Partially Found

The Incel Project was a TV-MA rated, Blip.tv original documentary series released from 2008-2012.[1] The doc was featured in the "original series" section of Blip.tv (now defunct), a seemingly curated section of the site. The documentary's non-Blip.tv homepage was involuntarycelibacy.com (now defunct). Non-draft or non-final-cut episodes appear to be straight interviews and often exceeded 20 minutes. The series was released as a work-in-progress to be assembled into a condensed final cut documentary, perhaps with other footage.[2] At least 2 different drafts of a final cut were also uploaded to Blip.tv and released.[3] Almost all footage associated with this doc series is lost.

Background and Contents

In 1997, Alana created the Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project as an academic project and email listserv to fuel academic research into involuntary singledom. This culminated in a series of academic papers by the sociologists Denise Donnelly, Elizabeth Burgess, and Laura Carpenter, among others.

While the email listserv was still open, a separate forum opened called incelsite.com in 2004. This was the first self-described 'incel' forum using conventional forum software. Alana's email listserv also changed ownership to a Canadian computer store owner. Beyond hosting his own forum, the owner of incelsite.com also took up the duty of linking to the older listserv. Incelsite.com closed due to the owner feeling the members were (on the whole) not meeting their goals, and suggested a forum comprised of experts, although no such thing transpired.

In 2006, incelsupport.org started, with many of the same members of incelsite.com. This forum lasted until around 2008, when arguments on the forum about genetic determinism split the forum in two. Those who rejected that involuntary celibacy was caused primarily by genetic factors started incel.myonlineplace.org during 2008. Those who believed it was primarily caused by genetics started a much smaller group at the same time called Involuntary Celibacy Acceptance and Management.

While incel.myonlineplace.org had a subtitle of "Incel Support", it was not the same Incel Support forum as the aforementioned. Someone named, Kaycee led incel.myonlineplace.org, while the previous was led by a Canadian named Cernan. It is rumored that Cernan was not welcome on the newer forum, although this is unconfirmed. It is likely that incel.myonlinplace.org is the forum most associated with this particular documentary.

Author Talmer Shockley is featured in this documentary and may have been a user or lurker of incel.myonlineplace.org. Laura Carpenter is also featured. A similar forum that existed at the time, "love-shy.com", also had its own popular documentary.

The documentary appears to be shot from a social-justice and medical perspective. Content is mostly dry and clinical, and included are highly topical discussions about mental health, the stigma of inceldom, life as an incel, and "coming out" as an incel.

A year after this documentary stalled, in 2013, incel.myonlinplace.org had a server crash, and most posts were lost.

Reception and Cancellation

Various forums discussed the doc before and after development.[4][5][6] One of the forum reviews was positive and talked about a Laura Carpenter interview. They said she talks about involuntary celibacy leading to more involuntary celibacy since the individual's self-esteem is lowered the longer he or she lives with it, and possible partners being turned off by the seeming oddity of an older virgin.

Production halted sometimes between 2012-2014. In 2014, a forum user of a separate forum called PUAhate.com (pick-up-artist hate.com) named Elliot Rodger went on a shooting spree in the name of self-professed involuntary singledom. This event may have precipitated the cancellation of the release of this documentary, even though IncelSupport denied Elliot Rodger was an active member of their forum. However, the series was removed from Blip.tv for unknown reasons at least two months before the shooting, and perhaps the director simply gave up on the project for other reasons.[7]

Unreleased Final Cut

Two drafts of the final cut were released. However, from Webarchive, it is unclear whether a final cut was released or not.

Availability

Most info from the web series is available from Internet Archive snapshots of the channel on Blip.tv. Only segments of 2 interviews survive, and not the full footage of those 2 interviews that were released. These found segments contain psychologist and advocate for love-shy men named Brian Gilmartin, as well as a segment of an interview of author Talmer Shockley. Outside of the Gilmartin and Shockley footage, the rest is lost.

There have been efforts to preserve Blip.tv content before it shut down in 2015. Efforts to find these documentaries in Blip.tv archives have not come to anything as of February 2020.

Possible ledes

Possible people to contact for the lost footage include the author Talmer Shockley, Sogwa (the black female of the film who now publicly leads a Maryland Singles group on Meetup), or Laura Carpenter.

There is link on a german forum to a Youtube channel which used to possibly contain the full documentary.

This Youtube link is now dead, but the channel is still up and appears to have changed by the person who possibly created the original documentary. The channel now is about a closed kickboxing gym in Petersburg Virginia which was called 9round. It is possibly the former owner or media manager of that business made the documentary.

The creator of the documentary was identified by an unknown Youtube commentator, likely a former member of incel.myonlineplace.org. This occurred after the popularity of a 2021 video commentary on this documentary made by The Internet Investigator. The original documentary creator has not responded to polite requests to release the documentary.

Episodes

# Episode Title Runtime Release Date Status
1 Dr. Gilmartin 16:57 June 28th, 2008 Partially Found
2 IncelSupport Member, 40 14:29 July 22nd, 2008 Partially Found
3 IncelSupport Member, Mid-30s 22:06 October 1st, 2008 Lost
4 Two Friends 12:18 June 26th, 2008 Lost
5 Texas Interview 38:07 July 27th, 2009 Lost
6 IncelSupport Member, early-40s 21:03 Sept 7th, 2009 Lost
7 College Student 47:55 Oct 26th, 2009 Lost
8 Gay Man, late-40s 10:37 Jan 6th, 2011 Lost
9 IncelSupport Member, Late-30s 18:43 Nov 30th, 2011 Lost
10 IncelSupport Member, Late-30s 15:37 Jan 29th, 2012 Lost
11 Draft #1[3] ? ? Lost
12 Draft #2[3] ? ? Lost
13 Final Cut ? ? Existence Unconfirmed

Gallery

Dr. Gilmartin

Clip from Dr. Gilmartin (second gen copy).

Clip from Dr. Gilmartin (third gen copy).

Incel Support Member, 40

Clip from Incel Support Member, 40 (second gen copy).

Clip from Incel Support Member, 40 (third gen copy).

External Link

References